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it is not about art it is about techonology spirituality on top of the internet old nature culture things insecurity on belief new age is naive people are not just excepting technology possibiltiy of holding things in principle displayed through design why does it have to be about spirituality lets add another thing to bottom line spiriittuuualll humans are the only ones who have spirits the better art is when you don't know what you are doing the more you know the less satisfied you are things that are purely formal are less interesting material and idea at the same time it is all about aesthetics we are both responsible there is a notion of exchange underneath all this stuff you aculturate reality outside the social inside the computer is also an aura there is some sort of hierarchy What is our position in relation to technoloy this is why spirituality is so dangerous because of its baggage The same metanarratives have failed but no longer because of the belief in god you have got to learn to do things because these things are socially important because some finite reason why some things are better than others it is not just the point about mankind it is a co construction while we may not have metanarrative we have our own stories we have to deal with our existence in a friendly way we have to deal with our existence in a friendly not going ahead in a destructive way small stories, individualism is destructive you get to the point where everyone is self obsessed with their own little you would obviously say that a dictator starts out with a small story if the small story starts out and is convincing its such a fine balance if the world is built on rationalism, that ultimately isn't sustainable gaia was talking about the fact that the earth regulates itself if the earth changes its biosphere and if we want to be in it then they are going to have to change the way they are operating. the problem at the moment is that we have a monoculture globally" monocultures are always dangerous where does the growth of art fit into this? there is no moral dimension are we all co-conspirators in this? show me someone who is not swimming in the oppositional force to capitalism has disappeared the oppositional force to capitalism has disappeared many of the papers are ending the same way, that the only way to move is resistance. this argument that is going on is a resistance" the aboriginal response is resistance" to resist is to be be proactive the realization that it is finite still part of our psyche" an oppositional discourse to ghandi... there is something else apart from eating and wanting is your artwork a form of resistance or does it sustain capitalism You say, "is your artwork a form of resistance or does it sustain capitalism? you'd have to be a fool to resist capitalism the collection box is going to come round in fifteen minutes, are you going to put money in it" joseph beuys wanted to heal Germany, but he was still being paid for it it is about your choices in your life and thousands of choices you make in your art how do your recognize the difference between the works that are informed what about actual recognition for us to assess whether a work works and whether it doesn't. how do you draw back enough to assess that? a lot of it is about aesthetics and aesthetics are cultural you need bigs and buthead You say, "you need bigs and buthead" Robert johnson suggested that it is about the drawing in of the breathe is it when we can't recognize it that society has gone bezerk...when we can no longer recognize the sublime an experience that makes you draw breathe, because something happens but it's still cultural isn't it! you can see a lot of sunsets, but only one will make you draw breath its something that can't be quantified and qualified, you really have to stay away from it its about rediscovering it certain cultures have it we have completely polluted it i can't go along with it...it find it a totally romantic the gods' must be crazy dealt with that pollution it comes back to play look at aboriginal culture, they didn't have a classification for art, but they were continuinally making things 250 years later you have a group called terminus= who have to do it, but they don't necessarily do it with their hands. we killed god science has become our guiding light and that is what is guiding us but we are on the precipice people have always wanted to understand why phenomena takes place. now science offers us the models that religion found people have always wanted to understand why phenomena takes place. now science offer us the models that religion found" this is what Bronowski was saying last night in 'the ascent of man there is a price to pay for this you have lost the unifying force...but we still believe in science i believe in yoko we are rethinking the sublime - historically human's relation to the sublime was one of transcendence, of overcoming, but now, it must be a different relation in the flows and connections. next meeting:
7 january - online 14 january - topic young british artists and the contemporary sublime
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